Comments on: A wonderful discussion about the Ramsey incident http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/ Arsenal Blog | Arsenal News Mon, 21 May 2012 06:45:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: iloveverminator http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107842 iloveverminator Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:58:16 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107842 No point in saying trash like Shawcross meant no malice....he is nice guy with no history of such horrendous tackles, etc. etc. The point of the fact is that he has almost ruined a budding player's footballing career. Even if Ramsey is able to return to the field, I am sure he is going to be plagued by repetitive ankle niggles through out his career. The muscles in around the tibia and the fibula bones will never return to its previous state ever. I am really infuriated by the manner in which our players are getting injured by some irresponsible, horrific challenges made by the opponents. If this carries on like this, I think we need to field the All Blacks rugby team (or 11 convicts of Colorado jail) against teams like Stoke, Birmingham, Bolton and Sunderland :) No point in saying trash like Shawcross meant no malice….he is nice guy with no history of such horrendous tackles, etc. etc. The point of the fact is that he has almost ruined a budding player’s footballing career. Even if Ramsey is able to return to the field, I am sure he is going to be plagued by repetitive ankle niggles through out his career. The muscles in around the tibia and the fibula bones will never return to its previous state ever.
I am really infuriated by the manner in which our players are getting injured by some irresponsible, horrific challenges made by the opponents.
If this carries on like this, I think we need to field the All Blacks rugby team (or 11 convicts of Colorado jail) against teams like Stoke, Birmingham, Bolton and Sunderland :)

]]> By: Rian Joubert http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107477 Rian Joubert Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:21:00 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107477 I was sick after the incident. I agree Shawcross meant no malice but like so many have mentioned, these tactics against Arsenal are disgusting and I am also pointing a finger at the FA! They are to blame for creating and allowing this type of play that is killing the EPL. I was sick after the incident. I agree Shawcross meant no malice but like so many have mentioned, these tactics against Arsenal are disgusting and I am also pointing a finger at the FA! They are to blame for creating and allowing this type of play that is killing the EPL.

]]> By: unchained http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107434 unchained Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:44:57 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107434 these things happen ... there is a trophy to be won we have to move on these things happen … there is a trophy to be won

we have to move on

]]> By: alfonzo http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107430 alfonzo Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:23:40 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107430 Yes, some may argue that Shawcross didn’t intend it, that he isn’t malicious, that he isn’t that type of player. Well, someone who was speeding down the road and then hit a little boy didn’t intend to do that either but he did hit the boy and is responsible. That’s how I see it. This was no accident. And it’s unacceptable that we’ve suffered such horrific career-threatening injuries: Diaby (1 May 2006), Dudú (23 February 2008) and now Ramsey (27 February 2010). Is it any wonder that Wenger cries foul? And we were denied at least three penalties. Bloody referee. Yes, some may argue that Shawcross didn’t intend it, that he isn’t malicious, that he isn’t that type of player. Well, someone who was speeding down the road and then hit a little boy didn’t intend to do that either but he did hit the boy and is responsible. That’s how I see it. This was no accident. And it’s unacceptable that we’ve suffered such horrific career-threatening injuries: Diaby (1 May 2006), Dudú (23 February 2008) and now Ramsey (27 February 2010). Is it any wonder that Wenger cries foul?

And we were denied at least three penalties. Bloody referee.

]]> By: arsenal2010 http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107407 arsenal2010 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:40:45 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107407 Another video of Saint Shawcross maiming a player during his loan spell at Royal Antwerp (Belgium). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImCLHKXTOs Another video of Saint Shawcross maiming a player during his loan spell at Royal Antwerp (Belgium).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImCLHKXTOs

]]> By: dave m http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107401 dave m Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:31:59 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107401 About the video, good comments. I don't know if you can entirely cut it out of the game. It's an accident, reckless maybe but an accident. Not like the Eduardo incident where Taylor went in studs up and connected half way up his leg. This is purely the speed of the game IMHO. In saying that, there should be some reasonable punishment for this type of reckless tackle. 3 games doesn't do it for me. It should be 9 or more even. So it sends a message about tackling. I must say, one of the worst tackles this season happened in the Liverpool v Everton game where Fellaini and Kyrgiakos came together resulting in Kyrgiakos getting red carded. Fellaini went off injured and unpunished however his challenge on Kyrgiakos was shocking! Hi, studs up and with intent. I think a trial by video for that kind of challenge should be introduced. It's true that certain teams can't cope with Arsenal and go into the game with a plan to push us off the ball but how else do teams beat Arsenal? Ok, so we had a harder team 5 years back with Vieira, Adams, Keown, Bergkamp etc who didn't take any sh*t and in the most part dished it out, but there needs to be protection for smaller players and certainly specific punishment for specific tackles. About the video, good comments. I don’t know if you can entirely cut it out of the game. It’s an accident, reckless maybe but an accident. Not like the Eduardo incident where Taylor went in studs up and connected half way up his leg. This is purely the speed of the game IMHO. In saying that, there should be some reasonable punishment for this type of reckless tackle. 3 games doesn’t do it for me. It should be 9 or more even. So it sends a message about tackling. I must say, one of the worst tackles this season happened in the Liverpool v Everton game where Fellaini and Kyrgiakos came together resulting in Kyrgiakos getting red carded. Fellaini went off injured and unpunished however his challenge on Kyrgiakos was shocking! Hi, studs up and with intent. I think a trial by video for that kind of challenge should be introduced.

It’s true that certain teams can’t cope with Arsenal and go into the game with a plan to push us off the ball but how else do teams beat Arsenal? Ok, so we had a harder team 5 years back with Vieira, Adams, Keown, Bergkamp etc who didn’t take any sh*t and in the most part dished it out, but there needs to be protection for smaller players and certainly specific punishment for specific tackles.

]]> By: MoMONEY http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107400 MoMONEY Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:13:21 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107400 Thanks for the video. Its funny that these pundits are all jumping onto the Arsenal bandwagon now that it looks like we might do it... And about the tackle. All the talk about 50:50 and no intention is a joke IMO. Obviously he didnt want to break his leg, but IMO he fully knew that he was about to lose the ball and decided in that split second to go as hard as he can through whoever was coming. You simply do not follow through like that, that late and that high, if you havent chosen to do this. For those that dont agree- please let me know where he was trying to play the ball. It surely would have ended up in the upper tier of the stadium had he made contact with that hack. People can feel sorry for Shawcross and I do on the level that his manager has trained him to play this way, but he did it and he has to live with the consequences. Im praying Ramsey can get back to where he was because the promise he was showing was incredible. And I like the Eduardo point that guy brought up. Its truly a shame that one of the best football players- real football players- in the EPL may never be the same. "Ryan Shawcross is a great young player". Id like to know in what way. He is in no way a great footballer. He is big strong and physical but so are rugby players. I think they could do what he does with a bit of training as well... There are way too many players of this standard in England... Thanks for the video. Its funny that these pundits are all jumping onto the Arsenal bandwagon now that it looks like we might do it…

And about the tackle. All the talk about 50:50 and no intention is a joke IMO. Obviously he didnt want to break his leg, but IMO he fully knew that he was about to lose the ball and decided in that split second to go as hard as he can through whoever was coming. You simply do not follow through like that, that late and that high, if you havent chosen to do this. For those that dont agree- please let me know where he was trying to play the ball. It surely would have ended up in the upper tier of the stadium had he made contact with that hack. People can feel sorry for Shawcross and I do on the level that his manager has trained him to play this way, but he did it and he has to live with the consequences. Im praying Ramsey can get back to where he was because the promise he was showing was incredible.

And I like the Eduardo point that guy brought up. Its truly a shame that one of the best football players- real football players- in the EPL may never be the same. “Ryan Shawcross is a great young player”. Id like to know in what way. He is in no way a great footballer. He is big strong and physical but so are rugby players. I think they could do what he does with a bit of training as well… There are way too many players of this standard in England…

]]> By: Makapuu http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107389 Makapuu Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:42:17 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107389 I have been thinking and talking about this for 4 years. IBRAHIM has put it better than i ever could. I am a Yank, here for 30 years, Arse supporter for 30 years (after a 15 year break) and season ticketer for 10 years. I am ignorant but thoughtful, i hope. For 4 years I have been saying to pals at the Triangle pub that our biggest strategic issue is INJURY AVOIDANCE. AW has created a style of football in these pressured times which is (1) beautiful to watch, even for the expert commentators (who watch in awe), and (2) dangerous, at least in England it is. The football fan in England must decide what he wants his game to be. AW shows one way -- a dance, a ballet, a cut and thrust which is is NEVER BORING to watch. The other way is what happens when Arsenal plays everyone outside the top 6 - hard confrontation within the rules, psychological warfare fueled by the threat of danger, i.e. injury. I, for one, prefer the formal - the beautiful game is called as such because it if beautiful -- not SCARY. But, because the English fan will not fix this situation, AW MUST FIX IT. His biggest strategic issue is INJURY AVOIDANCE. He may legitimately moan about how the others will come out to 'kick arsenal', but that is the current world, mate. He must coach/teach/instruct his players that (1) he has a style of play which will not cease, and (2) that style invites aggression to counteract its potency so the players must PRACTICE INJURY AVOIDANCE. It is no coincidence that the 3 players he named as victims of others' play to overcome Arsenal's fast paced play (Ramsey, Eduardo, and Diabi) were all young, full of hormones, and probably NOT coached to avoid injurious threats. IF WE CANNOT CHANGE THE WORLD, WE MUST CHANGE OURSELVES. BILL I have been thinking and talking about this for 4 years. IBRAHIM has put it better than i ever could. I am a Yank, here for 30 years, Arse supporter for 30 years (after a 15 year break) and season ticketer for 10 years. I am ignorant but thoughtful, i hope.
For 4 years I have been saying to pals at the Triangle pub that our biggest strategic issue is INJURY AVOIDANCE. AW has created a style of football in these pressured times which is (1) beautiful to watch, even for the expert commentators (who watch in awe), and (2) dangerous, at least in England it is.

The football fan in England must decide what he wants his game to be. AW shows one way — a dance, a ballet, a cut and thrust which is is NEVER BORING to watch. The other way is what happens when Arsenal plays everyone outside the top 6 – hard confrontation within the rules, psychological warfare fueled by the threat of danger, i.e. injury. I, for one, prefer the formal – the beautiful game is called as such because it if beautiful — not SCARY.

But, because the English fan will not fix this situation, AW MUST FIX IT. His biggest strategic issue is INJURY AVOIDANCE. He may legitimately moan about how the others will come out to ‘kick arsenal’, but that is the current world, mate. He must coach/teach/instruct his players that (1) he has a style of play which will not cease, and (2) that style invites aggression to counteract its potency so the players must PRACTICE INJURY AVOIDANCE.

It is no coincidence that the 3 players he named as victims of others’ play to overcome Arsenal’s fast paced play (Ramsey, Eduardo, and Diabi) were all young, full of hormones, and probably NOT coached to avoid injurious threats.

IF WE CANNOT CHANGE THE WORLD, WE MUST CHANGE OURSELVES.

BILL

]]> By: theicehammer http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107384 theicehammer Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:09:05 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107384 @shottagunner, very well said on Sol for the player is a man mountain. I made comments in ref to this on his first return to the fold. He seems to be so much more assured in going about his defending duties than Verm and Gall. Small shades of Tony Adams. Its such a shame that Wenger let him get away so early. Should be included in the England Squad if he continues in this fashion. Finally lets hope with Gods grace that Aaron makes a complete recovery. Mental as well as Physical especially as it was looking as though he might be the next Fabregas. @shottagunner, very well said on Sol for the player is a man mountain. I made comments in ref to this on his first return to the fold. He seems to be so much more assured in going about his defending duties than Verm and Gall. Small shades of Tony Adams. Its such a shame that Wenger let him get away so early. Should be included in the England Squad if he continues in this fashion.
Finally lets hope with Gods grace that Aaron makes a complete recovery. Mental as well as Physical especially as it was looking as though he might be the next Fabregas.

]]> By: James http://arsenalfcblog.com/a-wonderful-discussion-about-the-ramsey-incident/#comment-107383 James Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:55:41 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/?p=3625#comment-107383 Just wanted to mention for people who can't watch on this sites.e.g in iPhone you can get the podcast of it on iTunes. Love the website by the way. Just wanted to mention for people who can’t watch on this sites.e.g in iPhone you can get the podcast of it on iTunes. Love the website by the way.

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