Comments on: Babel playing for Arsenal future http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/ Arsenal Blog | Arsenal News Tue, 22 May 2012 14:51:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Arsenal FC Blog » Jury still out on Babel http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-579 Arsenal FC Blog » Jury still out on Babel Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:53:32 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-579 [...] Dutch win 13-12 on penalties to progress to the final of the UEFA U21 Championships. I made some comments yesterday about the the opportunity the game gave both players to impress Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger but, [...] [...] Dutch win 13-12 on penalties to progress to the final of the UEFA U21 Championships. I made some comments yesterday about the the opportunity the game gave both players to impress Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger but, [...]

]]> By: Spanish Fry http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-577 Spanish Fry Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:26:58 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-577 <b>Pete</b> - Yeah. When it's all said and done there are probably thousands of Drenthe's running around in South America but that does not mean they will make it at the top level. Like you said, I'm not bagging Drenthe at all, just stating that there is a lot of hype surrounding him and I'm not sure its completely warranted because it's over such a short period of time. Pete – Yeah. When it’s all said and done there are probably thousands of Drenthe’s running around in South America but that does not mean they will make it at the top level. Like you said, I’m not bagging Drenthe at all, just stating that there is a lot of hype surrounding him and I’m not sure its completely warranted because it’s over such a short period of time.

]]> By: Pete http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-576 Pete Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:03:02 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-576 Spanish Fry - your last point is exactly the one I was going to make. I always get worried when people talk about how we should sign a player who they've seen for three/four matches in a tournament, in which they may be raising their game. We've seen it before with international tournaments - some players overperform, some underperform, but we need those who do the business week in week out. It strikes me that many who are recommending Drenthe haven't seen that side of him. That's not to say he won't make it, because I haven't seen him in regular action either. Spanish Fry – your last point is exactly the one I was going to make. I always get worried when people talk about how we should sign a player who they’ve seen for three/four matches in a tournament, in which they may be raising their game.

We’ve seen it before with international tournaments – some players overperform, some underperform, but we need those who do the business week in week out. It strikes me that many who are recommending Drenthe haven’t seen that side of him.

That’s not to say he won’t make it, because I haven’t seen him in regular action either.

]]> By: Talk Soccer http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-573 Talk Soccer Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:37:13 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-573 <p><strong>Babel playing for Arsenal future...</strong></p> <p>"Whilst Babel will surely start up front against England his tendency to drift wide to create space for himself will mean that the two players should come face-to-face regularly during the match. The outcome of these duels between the Hoyte and Babel ...</p> Babel playing for Arsenal future…

“Whilst Babel will surely start up front against England his tendency to drift wide to create space for himself will mean that the two players should come face-to-face regularly during the match. The outcome of these duels between the Hoyte and Babel …

]]> By: Spanish Fry http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-572 Spanish Fry Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:29:48 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-572 <b>India-Gunner</b> - The issue of Drenthe is an interesting one. There has been so much talk about him from Arsenal supporters over the course of this tournament and to his credit he has done very well. But I personally know nothing about his performances in the Eredevisie last season and so don't feel in a position to comment. Can you judge a player based solely on his U21 performances? It is an interesting question. What do others think? India-Gunner – The issue of Drenthe is an interesting one. There has been so much talk about him from Arsenal supporters over the course of this tournament and to his credit he has done very well. But I personally know nothing about his performances in the Eredevisie last season and so don’t feel in a position to comment. Can you judge a player based solely on his U21 performances? It is an interesting question. What do others think?

]]> By: India-Gunner http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-571 India-Gunner Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:39:35 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-571 What we really need is left winger I would recommend Royston Drenthe. He should be much more cheaper than Malouda but bad news is Chelski is looking at him too. Drenthe provided himself in U21. Rumour is Chelski willing to pay 4m for his service. I believe if we go in with same price Drenthe will choose us where he will have more 1st team chances in Arsenal. Babel is good too but base on U21 performance then I would say Drenthe is ahead of Babel. What we really need is left winger I would recommend Royston Drenthe. He should be much more cheaper than Malouda but bad news is Chelski is looking at him too. Drenthe provided himself in U21. Rumour is Chelski willing to pay 4m for his service. I believe if we go in with same price Drenthe will choose us where he will have more 1st team chances in Arsenal. Babel is good too but base on U21 performance then I would say Drenthe is ahead of Babel.

]]> By: Spanish Fry http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-570 Spanish Fry Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:01:33 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-570 So, any conclusions from anyone from last night's game? So, any conclusions from anyone from last night’s game?

]]> By: Spanish Fry http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-567 Spanish Fry Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:59:09 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-567 <p><b>Harlan</b> - I have to say that at this stage I'm not overly impressed with either Senderos or Hoyte. I don't think that I am limiting Hoyte's chance to make an impact though. To quote from the article:<br /> <i><b>" I am not the biggest fan of Hoyte and I believe he does not yet possess the ability to stake a claim as Arsenal’s first-choice right-back. However, at just 22, time is on his side and if the Englishman can impress in tonight’s game then my opinion of him would certainly be up for revision." </b></i><br /> I think he has every chance to make it as a right-back but he's just not quite there yet. As for Senderos, to quote from a previous article:<br /> <i><b>"It has to be said that although Senderos has made solid progress at the club he is still some way off fulfilling his potential."</b></i><br /> I think your statement about Arsenal being an attacking team is spot on, and as a result, maybe Senderos does not fit in with our style of defending. But I just don't think it's worth giving up on a defender who will no doubt improve as he gets older.</p> Harlan – I have to say that at this stage I’m not overly impressed with either Senderos or Hoyte. I don’t think that I am limiting Hoyte’s chance to make an impact though. To quote from the article:
” I am not the biggest fan of Hoyte and I believe he does not yet possess the ability to stake a claim as Arsenal’s first-choice right-back. However, at just 22, time is on his side and if the Englishman can impress in tonight’s game then my opinion of him would certainly be up for revision.”
I think he has every chance to make it as a right-back but he’s just not quite there yet. As for Senderos, to quote from a previous article:
“It has to be said that although Senderos has made solid progress at the club he is still some way off fulfilling his potential.”
I think your statement about Arsenal being an attacking team is spot on, and as a result, maybe Senderos does not fit in with our style of defending. But I just don’t think it’s worth giving up on a defender who will no doubt improve as he gets older.

]]> By: Harlan http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-566 Harlan Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:45:15 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-566 Spanish Fry Are you sure Babel can do an excellent job at LW? I'm told his natural position is CF, which we don't need at the moment. The player we need for LW, who is very pacy, strong and direct and has defensive capability to support Clichy is DRENTHE. The guy has already shown his skills in U21 competition and we should go for him.He will like to play in the CL. He could be available for less than 6+. SF, sometimes I'm surprised that you want to give PS, who has had more opportunities to prove himself a chance than JH, who popped up only last year and keep on improving. The only thing left with JH is his coming forward and crossing, once this drawback is improved you will see him playing for the senior side. As for PS, don't put your bet on him; there is no way he can improve on his speed and turnings; may be tackling abilities and positioning. PS could fit well in a 4-5-1 system where defenders play deep and get massive support from the mid-field as we experienced in the CL the previous year and managed to get to the finals with an excellent defensive record, which enabled PS to shine. However, Arsenal is generally an attacking team, which require pacy defenders to run and stop counterattacks when a forward movement is forestalled, and there lies the big problem PS has. His turnings and runs are so poor that more often than not he had to pull opposing forwards down, resulting in fowls. We should send him on loan or sell him. Not good for Arsenal and don't think he can develop these failings. Spanish Fry

Are you sure Babel can do an excellent job at LW? I’m told his natural position is CF, which we don’t need at the moment. The player we need for LW, who is very pacy, strong and direct and has defensive capability to support Clichy is DRENTHE. The guy has already shown his skills in U21 competition and we should go for him.He will like to play in the CL. He could be available for less than 6+. SF, sometimes I’m surprised that you want to give PS, who has had more opportunities to prove himself a chance than JH, who popped up only last year and keep on improving. The only thing left with JH is his coming forward and crossing, once this drawback is improved you will see him playing for the senior side. As for PS, don’t put your bet on him; there is no way he can improve on his speed and turnings; may be tackling abilities and positioning. PS could fit well in a 4-5-1 system where defenders play deep and get massive support from the mid-field as we experienced in the CL the previous year and managed to get to the finals with an excellent defensive record, which enabled PS to shine. However, Arsenal is generally an attacking team, which require pacy defenders to run and stop counterattacks when a forward movement is forestalled, and there lies the big problem PS has. His turnings and runs are so poor that more often than not he had to pull opposing forwards down, resulting in fowls. We should send him on loan or sell him. Not good for Arsenal and don’t think he can develop these failings.

]]> By: gazzap http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-563 gazzap Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:16:45 +0000 http://arsenalfcblog.com/babel-hoyte-playing-for-arsenal-future/#comment-563 there's a reason why he is £6m and Malouda is £17m and its because Babel is not as good. he is not so young as to think he will develop massively over the coming years either. If other top clubs wanted him he would not be £6m. as soon as other big clubs are interested the value of a player more than doubles. it doesn't mean they are twice as good, its all about supply and demand. thats the difference between players who can play for teams like spurs, everton and Newcastle and those that can play for Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U. there’s a reason why he is £6m and Malouda is £17m and its because Babel is not as good. he is not so young as to think he will develop massively over the coming years either. If other top clubs wanted him he would not be £6m. as soon as other big clubs are interested the value of a player more than doubles. it doesn’t mean they are twice as good, its all about supply and demand. thats the difference between players who can play for teams like spurs, everton and Newcastle and those that can play for Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U.

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